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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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it's a worldwide phenomenon

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast

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as always my name is andy what a month

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it has been for the podcast we've had

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four incredible guests

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the last episode was part one of

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lieutenant tim mcmillan's and of you

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which you are back now obviously for the

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second part

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again i've been blown away by the

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feedback the numbers of your listening

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the people reaching out to get in touch

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i want to get straight into the

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interview for you please stick around

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after the interview finishes um there's

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some big announcements regarding future

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guests coming up

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and some exciting things that will be

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happening in the coming months on the

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show as well

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so again stick around after the

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interview let's go back to

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part two of my interview with lieutenant

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that's it and thanks because that's a

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lot of information on on the events and

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what's happened and i want to kind of

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modern day um and and one of your

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articles uh for popular mechanics tim

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there's a quote that i thought was

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really interesting uh i'll read it to

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you it was professor matthew hirsch from

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harvard university

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and he says quote human beings have

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believed in the existence of et life for

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millennia

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i suspect that any revelation ufos exist

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would be met with something close to a

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shrug

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end quote is that where we're at now

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because that's how i feel this whole

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thing is generally still being met

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even with the mainstream exposure it's

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getting and can i just say as well that

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that's from a united states point of

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view like i said to my previous guests

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like gary and sean particularly

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in the uk this isn't really covered

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other than the odd

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article on a website of sky news

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there's not a lot of interest in the

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topic outside of those who would already

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be interested

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oh yeah and gosh that was just such a

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snapshot of dr hirsch's comments

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that i was able to use he's a great guy

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because he i mean

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he he provided me uh you know he

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provided me comments that could have

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been his own article because it was

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fascinating because i was very

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interested in in just what you said this

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idea like

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if the military really is hiding this

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idea that they're

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is there any validity in the idea that

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human beings just couldn't handle it

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and so you know he said i think it'd be

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met with a shrug um

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and i think he's right there and and

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unfortunately just due to the kind of

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limits that you have to when you when

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you're editing an article and that

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particular article was

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[\h__\h] almost 9 000 words about about 7

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in but um you know he was just saying

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that in terms of the idea that

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that human beings have believed in in

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e.t for a millennium

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it's generally though under the lens in

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which the time gives it and so

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you know not the ancient aliens route

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mythical deities were aliens now

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but you know these deities were in

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higher intelligence aliens yeah um

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and so that's where he's getting at

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in terms of why you haven't seen and i

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brought this up too in

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2017. this was something i was really

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why the hell isn't this like the biggest

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news in history here

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but you know people are very

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narrowed into what's in front of them

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um what's going on i mean you see this

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especially with american news and the

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coronavirus and all this stuff it's like

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okay aliens are here screw that but what

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did president trump do and let's

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you know yeah and so because to them

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that gives an exercise of what they're

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in control over and so this idea of

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unknown is very very scary to people

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and so i do disagree a little bit with

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what dr hirsch is saying there if the

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idea

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was that it came out

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you know whether it was the us

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government or whomever somebody came out

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and said here it is guys ladies and

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gentlemen there is 100 percent

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beyond the reasonable doubt inhuman

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we don't know who they are we don't know

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where they're from we don't know their

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motivation we don't know their intent

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by the way they seem to be able to be

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a shrug and that's because

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the unknown is not you know implicitly

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it creates anxiety and stress and that's

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these events as either being alien or

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being junk is because at least then it's

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and so i think the real question there

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how much is known and how much is

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unknown when it comes out to it

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because you know that same fish example

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what you know what if all those fish

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hey guys you're not gonna believe this

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there's an entire other world

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above the water these people have cities

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and cars and all sorts of [\h__\h] we don't

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you know a car what's that how do you

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um you know how would that they react to

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and and so i i don't know and so i think

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the idea is the accepting it would be

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brings up so many more unknowns and

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and again people have generationally

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been conditioned to believe it's bunk it

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goes back to that condom

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report and when i said read it for

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yourself and see the conclusions

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the people i've said that to who have

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done it come back and go holy cow this

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didn't say what i thought it said

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but if you look at the reporting at the

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time and everything

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it was uh you know very fragmentary

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and so it set this social standard that

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bunk and um

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you know that's what people have been

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not only lived through but

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born and raised on her you know you have

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who their parents grew up under this

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oh you know you talk about ufos that's

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that's fringe society and you're a nut

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interesting things because you hear

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it's an american myth and religion and

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stuff and you say

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well no i mean it's not dragons

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and it's not uh you know there's

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actually more tangible evidence for

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supporting ufos then there is most

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religious belief

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not to infringe on anybody's religious

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beliefs but that is still the mindset

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you know people it's just kind of been

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and so um i don't know if it's a shrug

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is people have kind of been conditioned

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for almost 50 years to believe that it's

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a myth and bonk but

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the aliens or the ufos or whatever the

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hell it is they sure as hell nobody told

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they seem to be completely disconcerned

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with social sentiment they've not gone

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yeah and i know you talked about your

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surprise here at the time as well of

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the why was that not bigger news

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something else you mentioned in one of

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was when susan goff mentioned the air

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force office of special investigations

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which are widely considered to be the

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real men in black

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and were involved and then you follow

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that up in an article at last

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month as well talk to us a little bit

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about that and you know if we want to

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mib because it's easier than af osi

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what do you think that involvement kind

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of speaks volumes about in this whole

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sure man man i'm glad you brought that

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up because it's not

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been something i've been able to really

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clear up uh probably should have

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whether it's just in twitter or a blog

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or something but yeah

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uh you know obviously uh air force

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officer special investigations

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has this kind of illicit history of

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being the uf

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the real men in black and the ufo just

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disinformers and this goes

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all the way back to the 80s and the rick

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dodie days and all this kind of stuff

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and so um you know they're

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it's people written books about it you

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know that it's

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it's them that come and tell people to

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shut up and don't talk

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uh in this specific instance and

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i had asked miss go numerous times in

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the pentagon or why did they

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why did osi get involved why did osi get

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involved and she didn't answer me

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it was only after that article was

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published did i finally

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have an opportunity to talk to a policy

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analyst at

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the secretary of defense's office and

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they explained very mundanely

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that oh by the way the air force office

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of special investigations and that

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headquarters detachment is the policy

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for the pentagon meaning if there's

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policy violations that's who

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investigates it and so unfortunately

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um but you see this often the truth

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isn't nearly as exciting and so they

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were just the policy police

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that somebody said to investigate the

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leak of these videos

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or or what they perceived as a leak of

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the videos now

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um there's a lot more to that aspect

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that is something i'm working on right

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now that will

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come up you know in the very near future

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it's still kind of an ongoing

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investigation

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but i can tell you there's a lot of

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evidence there that is extremely

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intriguing

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and in terms of why you do that because

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that was the first thing i questioned is

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you had to have somebody with enough

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authority to order that investigation

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and that person with enough authority

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they had to know damn well those were

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unclassified videos

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so why the hell did they order the

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investigation

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and that truth is that um

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you know it's it's very humanistic

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and that it's very new nuanced and yeah

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i recently said in an interview

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the reasons behind all of the confusing

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and contradictory statements coming out

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of the pentagon

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there's a whole bunch of factors at play

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and in fact

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what i'll be bringing out and it's still

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like i said ongoing is

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some of those are human factors have

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nothing to do with ufos some people

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and i think everybody who's ever worked

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in a job where there's

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more than just themselves realized

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sometimes you work with [\h__\h]

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and sometimes you work with people who

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are just vindictive you work with bad

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bosses

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um and so some of the

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some of this i believe stems from a lot

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of that and

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there'll be some very intriguing things

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coming out about

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the the inner workings of the department

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of defense that don't necessarily

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relate to ufos but help explain

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why have you seen some of the things

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that you've seen why have you heard some

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of the things that you've heard

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and i've said this from day one and

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telezonda many times and publicly is

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having some background and understanding

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of the the kind of clandestine

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intelligence world you don't come out

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and talk

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like that's very very taboo to do what

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elizondo did

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and it doesn't matter if he was talking

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about ufos or he was talking about

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terrorists intelligence world does not

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encourage their people

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past former or present to go public like

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that and you're ostracized and

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oftentimes

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um try to make an example out of because

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they don't

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want they're they do not want their

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people

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thinking that they can get fame or

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attention talking about anything they've

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done

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while employed there because for obvious

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reasons

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all of a sudden russia is coming over

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hey we're a film crew we want to film

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you know they're they're setting you up

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to try to get secrets

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and so um there's a lot of little things

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going on

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there and in fact that whole

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investigation into those videos with af

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a-f-o-s-i had less to do with men in

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black and more to do with the human

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factors involved of people being like

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that son of a [\h__\h]

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making front page news um

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and trying to probably ultimately get uh

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luella's under security clearance pulled

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because that's the longest he keeps that

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security clearance and i think that's

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why

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um i've heard plenty of people get upset

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i totally get it and they're like

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oh he's always relying on his nda like

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he pushes it to the limit

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but i believe he has to be very cautious

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there because

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if he loses his security clearance at

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the end of the day long as he keeps that

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um you know ttsa or whatever can go

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belly up and go defunct and he can walk

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right in the door at a private

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contractor making money and

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you know the guy's got a family and he's

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got kids and a wife he's got

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he gotta you gotta have that but if he

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loses his security clearance

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basically uh it's equivalent to me

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losing my law enforcement certification

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like my entire 20 years up to that point

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it's just

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i can't do anything with it boat yeah

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yep

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that whole

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i i think there's a

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with all of this there's more myth that

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there is reality and so the men in black

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deal um i don't think there's a real men

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in black

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that uh that are out there and i don't

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think they're involved in these

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instances

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i think it has to do more with uh

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some senior executive people who just

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were like that he's son of a [\h__\h]

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because

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private reasons they now people you know

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like yourself

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you people from scotland people from the

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uk

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people from germany are talking about

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the the under secretary of defense for

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intelligence office

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and they're no like names like the

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national programs like they're like

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this these are people who don't don't

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have facebooks and stay off the radar

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and they're like son of a [\h__\h] why are

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people

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you know they like you that's the

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intrigue there that might not be will

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smith and tommy lee jones walking about

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with tiny little guns that blow holes in

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the side of buildings but

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what they do and it does there's an

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element of truth i think and a lot of

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these things and that's something even

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in shows like ancient aliens or

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any they can have fantastic experiences

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or famous cases

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it doesn't take for 90 of it might not

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be quite correct but there's 10 percent

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based on truth

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and that's the interesting part and

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that's what we have to get to with a lot

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of this subject

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um what's where are we at then what

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would if you had a state of the union or

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state of play with this whole saga

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and and what's coming next where do you

447
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think what happens the whole thing and i

448
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appreciate you're saying you've got more

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material coming out soon not be really

450
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interesting anyway

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sure yeah and gosh that's a great

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question

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and i don't know that i have a good

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answer um

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and i say because i think a lot of

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people are hoping like disclosures on

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the horizon with the big d

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and all of this type of stuff um i

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haven't necessarily seen that

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if people are associating that with

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meaning like all right guys come on

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roll out the the roswell wreckage or

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let's show all the videos

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um i haven't seen that on the horizon um

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and it's hard to know what information

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is or isn't going to come out of the

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pentagon because

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you know one of the things is with the

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recent statement

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that uh the assistant secretary of

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defense or public affairs office

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susan go mention and she acknowledged

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yeah

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yes there is a current program and the

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cognizant authority is under

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the secretary of defense for

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intelligence office blah blah blah

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and so it's important there for people

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to realize uh

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the cognitive authority being the

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intelligence so it's going to be run

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like an intelligence

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a deal and so tuning to what you just

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said you're right it is kind of like

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you know these guys who are or girls who

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are looking into these events currently

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are kind of like tommy lee jones and

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will smith

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without all the alien guns and stuff but

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in

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a scientific endeavor where you're

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putting out information constantly and

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everything

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because uh you know you want to protect

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the integrity of the information you're

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getting

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and so you don't put it out because that

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keeps from bad info coming in

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and so it's interesting because as long

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as it's ran like that

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it's going to be a friendly battle

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with people like myself or other

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journalists and them

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to try to get details out because um

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i you know up until recently me and

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susan go had a good relationship

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but but other than that the people who

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are doing this stuff presently i think

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i would like to say we have a great

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relationship because

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there's this weird

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both

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as the free press who's pushing to get

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information out and these people are

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like hey man we got to control this for

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national security

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we're both trying to support in this

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case the u.s constitution and so the

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freedom of press plus the

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defense and so it's just weird trying to

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find this middle road here where

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we can we can get information out where

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i think i think it would be great

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because i haven't seen it yet but they

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say it exists i think it'd be great to

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get

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some more conclusive data out that at

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least

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acknowledges okay ladies and gentlemen

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these

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but here's something and then go from

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there

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is what it is because you need that

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public support

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to continue the programs from congress

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and everything that's why i think you

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see chris mellon and everybody saying

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push your congressional leadership

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because that needs to happen um

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and it's it's equally interesting like

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you said that the

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the mindset outside of the us i think

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south america there's a lot of interest

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in the topic ufos um at least citizen

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wise i know i i talked to a lot of

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people out of the uk

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who have interest it sounds like

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evidently the media doesn't

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um here in germany it's like

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not even not

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new media people nothing but i mean

552
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again it's it's uh

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um it goes down to culture and

554
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everything it's very pragmatic culture

555
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here in general

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we didn't run out of toilet paper during

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the pandemic crisis because people are

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just logical thinkers in germany

559
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yeah very famously very efficient but i

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think that's been one thing that

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we've seen on the news particularly in

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the uk with the whole covert 19 that

563
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the germans done what they were told

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very quickly and

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managed to come out of it and that's why

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i'm a soccer fan

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and another life uh and that's why we've

568
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:25,360
got german football back on the tv here

569
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,080
in the uk

570
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:28,480
so so yeah life is getting back to

571
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,440
normal there i think

572
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:31,440
a lot more quickly than other places but

573
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,880
you see that that's in bed within the

574
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:34,000
culture i believe

575
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,240
um tim we're running out of time a

576
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:37,440
little bit so i want to get to some of

577
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,000
the listener

578
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,679
questions and then fire through the

579
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:41,360
quick fireworks stuff with you as well

580
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:41,760
so

581
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,360
everyone on twitter thank you very much

582
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,200
and i've picked through some of the best

583
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,840
um so some of them again if you've got

584
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,760
an answer great if it's an opinion great

585
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:53,039
if there's nothing then we can certainly

586
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,840
move on

587
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,760
so first question from engaging the

588
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:57,760
phenomena on twitter that's at

589
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,480
engaging the what was something tim

590
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,320
found through his investigations that he

591
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,039
was not expecting

592
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:07,280
oh wow that's a good that's a that's a

593
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:08,480
good question

594
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,669
gosh what was i not expecting

595
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:17,280
it's that's a great question and it's a

596
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:18,799
hard one to answer because now i'm

597
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,280
trying to

598
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,360
to to separate like the professional

599
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,360
investigative side versus the personal

600
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,039
opinion side because that's the thing

601
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,360
that a lot of people don't understand

602
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,360
uh and i had this discussion with joe

603
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,840
murgia ufo joe who has a great blog if

604
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,720
anybody's checked it out

605
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,799
joe's a great dude you know where he had

606
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,159
mentioned that a recent comment by

607
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,080
alizondo saying that that

608
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:40,400
you know the three options it was secret

609
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,360
u.s tech or

610
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:43,120
foreign tech or something else were all

611
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:44,480
disappointing to him and he's like i

612
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,520
don't understand why

613
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,520
you say that but as an investigator your

614
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,960
approach

615
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,280
you really aren't surprised by a lot of

616
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,120
things because you don't you you try

617
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,120
very very very very hard to not go

618
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,600
into it with any preconceived notions

619
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:59,440
you're not testing hypothesis

620
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,559
that's the important thing because you

621
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,919
don't come up with them you just follow

622
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:03,280
the road

623
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:06,640
um i think on a personal side i

624
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,240
i would say that it was maybe it was

625
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,720
really surprising though it shouldn't

626
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:14,000
have been

627
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,080
to realize that there were are people

628
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,159
in various very very very senior

629
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:22,480
leadership positions in government

630
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,000
to say yeah this is real this is real

631
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:29,280
no you know it's not just um tv movies

632
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,559
whatever

633
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,960
these things are really happening um you

634
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,720
know advances in our own defense

635
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:35,919
technology have

636
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,960
allowed us to pick up on it more and

637
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,840
even

638
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,480
you know where it's undeniable now but

639
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,400
this is real and i think

640
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:47,600
it was really you know it's one of these

641
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,720
things that uh

642
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,640
i've had this discussion as well how do

643
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,400
how do you survive in that environment

644
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:53,360
because i think

645
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,799
everybody who's into ufos can

646
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:59,039
survive to an extent because there's

647
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,080
always that option

648
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,559
well maybe it really isn't real or we

649
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:04,960
haven't seen like all the data

650
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,360
and so you always have that catch out of

651
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,200
saying that's maybe it's not real but

652
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,799
what happens if you're confronted and

653
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:11,600
you realize

654
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,640
holy [\h__\h] it's real um

655
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,240
what do you what do you do i think we

656
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:18,960
all say what we do but i don't know

657
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,799
um and so it was really surprising even

658
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:24,400
going into it very open-minded and

659
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,039
having

660
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,440
uh you know seen something weird myself

661
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,039
but to hear

662
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:31,679
other people who again for all intents

663
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:32,480
and purposes

664
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,559
um i've said that either

665
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,720
they are these are people who are in

666
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:40,080
positions of government

667
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:43,520
with a lot of power and can you know

668
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,320
wield power to bomb countries and cause

669
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,960
war

670
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,120
and their bat [\h__\h] crazy and that's

671
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:55,750
or that this is really going on and so i

672
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,080
think

673
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,520
that idea that that even though as the

674
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,280
investigator you can't just stop

675
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,080
and say well they absolutely should know

676
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:05,760
so there we go we're done

677
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,360
but um the fact that those two options

678
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:11,039
then fork out either their bat [\h__\h]

679
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,159
crazy or it's real

680
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,679
it was was a pretty big shock maybe i

681
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:18,640
i thought that um i don't know what i

682
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,960
thought

683
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,720
like you said you try not to to go into

684
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,320
it but um

685
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,480
i think yeah i think i think realizing

686
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,640
that um

687
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,320
even talk i'll say talking to some of

688
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,080
the people that are famous throughout

689
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,240
the the ufo historical realm like the

690
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,720
doctor put off sir eric davis's

691
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,039
um are kit greens i was really surprised

692
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:39,120
to talk to them because i think there's

693
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,039
a perception of them depending on

694
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,520
whether you are a real believer or

695
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:46,960
skeptic and i will say

696
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,080
in my opinion and haven't talked to them

697
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,120
that the reality of those perceptions

698
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,640
neither one was correct

699
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,799
and you know sometimes people i think do

700
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,400
a disservice to them

701
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,960
when you're saying you know dr put off

702
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,039
as the greatest mind who's ever

703
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,200
been in all of history and it's like

704
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,640
well that's not how science works he

705
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,320
wouldn't want that and

706
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,799
in fact science you know especially in

707
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,320
social sciences where i come from you

708
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,840
read a psychology journal

709
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,120
somebody's going to give you an entire

710
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,559
study of their conclusion and then the

711
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,919
next page is going to be why that's

712
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,559
[\h__\h]

713
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:21,039
and so somebody else and so there's no

714
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,559
such thing as like the greatest mind

715
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,400
einstein was wrong about a lot of things

716
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,520
and so

717
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,760
it was really surprising to realize man

718
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:29,840
these are just people

719
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:34,000
and um you know they're not scammers

720
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,799
they're not

721
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,679
this or that they don't have to be right

722
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:38,799
about their beliefs

723
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,480
but um they're also not these messianic

724
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,320
figures that have it all figured out

725
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:46,080
maybe that would actually if i had to

726
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,799
say that

727
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:49,200
the most one surprising thing of all was

728
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,080
not just that

729
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:52,159
all these people said it was real it was

730
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,200
a realization that

731
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,240
none of these people said it's real and

732
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,600
it's this

733
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:00,799
it's it was like holy crap they don't

734
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:01,600
know

735
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:05,039
think that was probably the most

736
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,080
surprising

737
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,600
to me that awesome yeah idea could be

738
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,880
unknown

739
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,559
oh that's a great question great answer

740
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,799
thanks tim thanks engaging the phenomena

741
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,240
worth following on twitter

742
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,360
uh next one was from stephen um recently

743
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,760
you appeared on mike west's podcast you

744
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,600
mentioned you talked to david fravers

745
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,480
co-pilot

746
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,279
who watched the two witness detective as

747
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,720
well did you get any

748
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:30,880
further detail from her and do you think

749
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,000
she will ever come forward

750
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,440
um yeah yeah ironically enough she

751
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,760
uh well she's still active duty right

752
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,080
now and she

753
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:44,480
did agree to to come forward and be

754
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,120
named

755
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:47,840
with for me however because she's active

756
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,400
duty

757
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,880
um public affairs has to approve that

758
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:52,640
and public affairs denied me

759
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,279
so um you know it is what it is but uh

760
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,919
that's that's interesting to know yeah

761
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:00,960
no and she did

762
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,480
and um uh so

763
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,720
i think i i will say that with her i

764
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,080
think the thing that that's most

765
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,440
interesting is she

766
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,919
probably is a little frustrated there's

767
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:13,760
so much attention on to

768
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,640
her case simply because to her this

769
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:18,080
happened 15 years ago and she's like

770
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,559
this is

771
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,000
it is what it is like it's up to

772
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:21,840
somebody else to figure it out but

773
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:25,039
um you know she says there's there's

774
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,559
more events more recent events and

775
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,720
continuous events that are going on

776
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,640
that she talks to pilots who are saying

777
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,000
this is happening

778
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:34,400
so she's like why in the hell are we

779
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,600
worried about

780
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,240
what happened 15 years ago when you know

781
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:40,159
this is going on right now

782
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,000
um and so i i do truly hope

783
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,400
that uh you know maybe when she retires

784
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,000
someday or something she's able to come

785
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,440
forward because

786
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,840
uh my big thing for wanting her to go on

787
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,480
a record

788
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:55,360
is because i i really hope people get an

789
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:56,559
understanding of who

790
00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:59,840
she is and what she's done in her career

791
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,120
because we only hear about her as

792
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,760
from 15 years ago as you know the rookie

793
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,559
the new girl

794
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,200
and and i would hope i want people to

795
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,240
get an idea of when you hear her say

796
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,440
her experience 15 years later today what

797
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,799
all she's been through

798
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,240
in that interim of time frame and

799
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,159
realized this this is

800
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:23,120
somebody who's a damn good aviator and

801
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,440
has

802
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,799
been through some [\h__\h] and she um

803
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,320
outside of any of this sighting she

804
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,080
deserves to respect and everything she's

805
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:31,360
done a lot of really good things in her

806
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,480
career but again i

807
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,399
you know she's i also respect and

808
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,520
understand why

809
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,440
she just can't right now and she's kind

810
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,440
of cautious about it

811
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,279
no that's amazing that definitely sounds

812
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,360
like uh when when she does

813
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,960
hopefully finally get to going to step

814
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,960
out of that shadowy interview figure

815
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,880
i believe we saw on the unidentified

816
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,240
documentary as well

817
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,000
that uh it's going to be a lot more

818
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,600
weight and credibility to the argument

819
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,039
so it's just something else to go

820
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,880
alongside the evidence the videos the

821
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,320
testimonies it's

822
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,320
as you say a really really good point

823
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,600
you touched on as well and if we had a

824
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,960
little bit about this that

825
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:05,440
these events are still happening now and

826
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,320
the quotes

827
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,440
recently are as of several weeks ago we

828
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,880
don't know there's not one happening

829
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:11,600
right now

830
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,799
off some battle carrier group

831
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,960
see somewhere 30 emails off the course

832
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,399
but yeah so these things are still

833
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,600
happening and maybe that's the next

834
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,799
logical part of the

835
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,480
the story for everyone couple more

836
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,679
questions that was a really good one

837
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,760
stephen thanks um at the signal

838
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,520
who again really prominent on ufo

839
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,120
twitter he says firstly

840
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,520
sincere thank you for your work tim have

841
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,880
you heard the name of the program the

842
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,760
u.s government

843
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,480
currently runs on uap if so could you

844
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,159
give any names or even a hint

845
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,240
and will we find out any more details

846
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,159
soon

847
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,840
um i i i don't know the name

848
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,880
of it and i don't know whether it has a

849
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:50,720
categorical name

850
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,320
um you know i think it's it's run out of

851
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,080
what susan goes who said was correct you

852
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:57,679
know the cognitive authority is under

853
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,480
usdi

854
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,640
and the navy's kind of taking the lead

855
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,520
um

856
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,840
i don't know why that is i think a lot

857
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,840
of people bring up a lot of uh

858
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,360
theories as to well why the hell the

859
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:09,360
navy not the air force

860
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,039
um i think it may relate to

861
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:15,120
this is my opinion nobody's told me this

862
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,480
uh conclusively

863
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,799
but i think it may relate to uh certain

864
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,200
technologies that are unknown even

865
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,399
um that the navy employs and everything

866
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,399
because the navy is actually one of

867
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:29,279
um the primary it's the primary military

868
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,679
in

869
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,520
our primary branch of the u.s military

870
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,520
that operates in contested spaces

871
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,880
frequently so you know when they're

872
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,000
sailing to these oceans they're in

873
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,520
contested spaces

874
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:39,760
and so some of their technologies allow

875
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,640
them

876
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,399
to have better recon and that type of

877
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,480
stuff where um

878
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,080
the air force and everything they are

879
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,760
nor rad and uh

880
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,240
they know they've got a defensive

881
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,760
perimeter around the us but they know if

882
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,799
something's flown in

883
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,240
to the continent also but i think the

884
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,399
navy maybe has some better

885
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,559
stuff at figuring out what's all in the

886
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,159
battle spaces

887
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:02,559
um and so the navy you know the best i

888
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,279
know is that

889
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,480
the the navy is taking the lead in it

890
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,559
that they have uh you know under the

891
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,679
cognizance of the

892
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,559
usdi they have sole authority of it

893
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,840
across all branches

894
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,000
and so they are working with you know

895
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,600
like she said other other

896
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,120
entities and i think that's important

897
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:22,000
because places like the cia and all

898
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,399
these

899
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,240
they're not in the department of defense

900
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,679
in fact cia is its own independent

901
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,640
agency

902
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,000
and so but there is some kind of

903
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,919
interworking group which i think is good

904
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,520
because that's the only way you can

905
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,120
truly get it you've got to have an

906
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,960
interworking task force but it's terms

907
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:36,799
of like a name

908
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,000
um i don't know it and i don't know that

909
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:43,200
even has one and i know that's weird for

910
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:44,080
people

911
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:47,360
to accept but it may be you know

912
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:50,880
a senior analyst in you know the

913
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,399
o i division or the whoever division

914
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,600
like it's their job but it's not like

915
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:00,720
its own branch it's not its own

916
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,760
you know little carve out division type

917
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:04,720
thing

918
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,000
um we've moved on from an

919
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,279
awesome or an a tip that it is now being

920
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,960
taken over by the navy or do you think

921
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,200
there's still that opportunity

922
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:18,559
as a group um i think it's well i think

923
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:18,880
it's

924
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,080
post 2012

925
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,720
would be where you have and this gets

926
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,320
into this weird world of how

927
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,320
these type of operations go into and

928
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,840
they're nuanced but it's very similar to

929
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,080
um if anybody's ever seen the movie was

930
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,919
it zero dark 30 or whatever that

931
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:38,159
you know the hunting down of bin laden

932
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,440
okay you remember

933
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,080
there was one senior analyst who like

934
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,519
that was her job

935
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,519
find bin laden and she was able to

936
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,279
coordinate with all these different

937
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:50,399
entities geospatial cia human assets on

938
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,120
the ground

939
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,279
but like she was the one that was

940
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:55,440
supposed to find bin laden

941
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,360
she was a you know senior cia analyst

942
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,919
working in the cia had an office there

943
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,519
you know there she was in you know

944
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:04,960
like middle east foreign affairs

945
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,519
division whatever but this was her

946
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,799
job was to find bin laden

947
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:13,440
this is very similar to that and so

948
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,320
there's not like

949
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,159
there wasn't like we're the office of

950
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,159
the bin laden affairs or the

951
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:20,159
you know like the bin laden team and

952
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,200
this type of stuff

953
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,840
you had one or two or a couple of people

954
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,360
who like all right

955
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,360
this is your job your job is to figure

956
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,600
this out and you have the

957
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,440
access to all these other little

958
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,120
resources and all these other little

959
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,519
things to help figure your job out

960
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,679
but in terms of like blue book i think

961
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,440
is what people often think of and

962
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,960
everything yes it was very

963
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,039
structured and everything this is a

964
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,960
different ball game because with blue

965
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,600
book

966
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,760
um you know they did focus on military

967
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:49,120
things but they were investigating all

968
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,840
sightings

969
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,399
you know before pre-mufon days this type

970
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:54,000
of stuff so there was an encouragement

971
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,600
to hear from the public

972
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,159
where it appears this would be more

973
00:33:03,029 --> 00:32:59,919
structured into kind of this modern

974
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,039
format where they are more isolated

975
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,919
onto military encounters and focus just

976
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:07,440
on that they don't really

977
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,200
need to hear the public stories per se

978
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,039
not to say they may not be interested

979
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,960
they may equally as well there's

980
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,679
certainly

981
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,519
sightings and stuff that people see that

982
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,799
maybe report

983
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,880
that the military may be aware of as

984
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:22,240
well because they picked up on their own

985
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,799
sensors

986
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,799
and so they may kind of extrapolate that

987
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,720
data but they don't need to like go

988
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,320
interview the witness because they have

989
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:29,679
better things

990
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:33,519
um i i would say that's the best example

991
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,080
i think

992
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,360
from everything that i know that it

993
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,200
could gather is consider that what's

994
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,200
going on now is very similar to what

995
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,360
if you've never seen the movie you know

996
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,720
you're unfamiliar with it but just

997
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,159
looking at there's a good book i can't

998
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:45,519
remember the name it was written by that

999
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,080
analyst

1000
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,640
that was able to hunt down bin laden

1001
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,919
it's very similar to that

1002
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,679
so you've got somebody who their job

1003
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,279
title is

1004
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,880
you know senior analyst or whatever um

1005
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,720
and but they're like all right your job

1006
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,640
is figure this the hell out

1007
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,320
and so that's what we're looking at in

1008
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,640
my opinion no that's very often that

1009
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,159
ties in a little bit with what louis

1010
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,440
ondo talked about when

1011
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,440
when they did have that initial was at

1012
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,760
22 million dollars funding that people

1013
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,960
said that doesn't sound like a lot of

1014
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,639
money but his point was you know

1015
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,280
i can go to and i'm going to really

1016
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,119
bastardize the whole military structure

1017
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,720
i think here in this example but

1018
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,480
you can go to the guys in the office

1019
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,560
next door who have radar data that

1020
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:26,159
doesn't cost him any money and pull that

1021
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,800
resource

1022
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,399
you can go the guys down the corridor

1023
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,480
and ask them for do you have uh

1024
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,560
you know a list of flights that were in

1025
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,079
an area at this time again it doesn't

1026
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,679
cost him any money so it's just using

1027
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,960
those other resources so that that

1028
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,639
doesn't make sense to be honest so

1029
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,079
that was a great question again from the

1030
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:42,240
signal thank you very much um we had

1031
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:42,720
mark

1032
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,399
after his name um

1033
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,480
is there any longer or high resolution

1034
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:50,399
version of the videos that were released

1035
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:50,879
that you've

1036
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:54,159
heard of seen or you know of definitely

1037
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:55,599
hadn't seen anything like that

1038
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,040
and i i truly don't know um

1039
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,880
i don't know if there is any longer

1040
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:03,440
versions of the video well

1041
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,359
we can assume in terms of the 2015

1042
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,960
there well we can assume in all of them

1043
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,640
there's a longer version at some point

1044
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,640
in time because chad underwood the pilot

1045
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,280
who filmed it

1046
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,400
said he filmed longer um

1047
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,560
and the same thing with the 2015 i mean

1048
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,160
that's not uh

1049
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,560
that's not how it works you know i

1050
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,000
interviewed lots of pilots

1051
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,400
kind of to both those who were involved

1052
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,839
and weren't involved not with the 15

1053
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,040
offense but in general

1054
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:32,240
um you don't like cut your cameras on

1055
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,040
and off

1056
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,560
during the flight yeah yeah um

1057
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,079
back in policing like that's not you

1058
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,680
didn't wait until you were in the [\h__\h]

1059
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,720
to cut your camera on

1060
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,240
you trained cops to cut them on

1061
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,320
beforehand and so i'm sure there

1062
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:45,599
probably is

1063
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:48,880
um some longer videos out there

1064
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,240
um probably i mean that again this goes

1065
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,240
into these weird nuanced things where

1066
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,000
we're in tracking it down and if you

1067
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,839
read that

1068
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,119
office of air force and special

1069
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,440
investigations report that was published

1070
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,800
in my last vice article

1071
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,680
you'll see the head of the f-18 program

1072
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,119
management office for

1073
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,880
for the navy technology office who's

1074
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,400
like i'm the one who's in charge of

1075
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,520
these videos

1076
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,000
but when it comes to these actual tapes

1077
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,920
they're controlled at the squadron level

1078
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,760
and they do their own damn thing with

1079
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,800
them and so

1080
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,160
it's weird because you would assume it

1081
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:22,400
would be tighter controls

1082
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,000
um but uh in reality

1083
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:28,320
it isn't always is tighter controls and

1084
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,119
so

1085
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:31,119
where any longer video versions of the

1086
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:32,480
videos might exist

1087
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,920
i don't know uh higher resolution video

1088
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,839
higher resolution versions of the videos

1089
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,040
that have been released

1090
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,480
uh i would say that's probably

1091
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,480
absolutely certain and and this goes

1092
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,839
into

1093
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,680
just understanding how you release

1094
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,440
information period

1095
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,480
is uh you're not going you always

1096
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:53,119
diminish your actual capability to what

1097
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,560
you released to the public

1098
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,960
because and so that means you know

1099
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,680
blurring in

1100
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,760
adding pixels whatever extrapolating

1101
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,720
metadata

1102
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,880
and not you don't want your adversaries

1103
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,720
to know how good you got it

1104
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,680
and so uh it's unfortunate for us you

1105
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,040
know i it would be great

1106
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:12,240
they the real high resolution version

1107
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,280
may

1108
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,599
in and of itself be like here you go

1109
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,359
ladies and gentlemen this is not

1110
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,640
this is not a quadcopter um

1111
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,880
but that's where it has nothing to do

1112
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,560
with hiding the ufo secret it's

1113
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,119
hiding what we're capable of doing from

1114
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:29,920
potential foreign adversaries and so

1115
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,119
i i would imagine there's probably a

1116
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,280
higher resolution version of just the

1117
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:36,960
videos that have been released

1118
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,000
that that are touched down before their

1119
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:41,520
release unfortunately

1120
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,560
and so she spent a long time

1121
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,440
under which i would get from a military

1122
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,960
point of view or whoever was cannot

1123
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,400
working and just getting these videos

1124
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,760
out there and whatever

1125
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,440
aspect that happened before they even

1126
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,520
touched flue elizondo

1127
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,440
sure that they're only going to show you

1128
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:59,040
what they want you to see in these clips

1129
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,560
as well and that's the frustration that

1130
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,920
the clips are great

1131
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,520
and they're part they are part of a

1132
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,960
whole they aren't the whole

1133
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,960
they help the whole thing with the

1134
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,240
videos you want to see

1135
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,920
longer you want to see the the

1136
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,359
tic-tac-toe that's flying across the

1137
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:13,119
ocean move up you want to see it shoot

1138
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,839
off at

1139
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,920
you know 12 000 miles an hour whatever

1140
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,680
it was but you're not going to see that

1141
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,960
what you're going to see is something

1142
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:20,480
that you can you can find fascinating

1143
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,440
but equally

1144
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:24,000
you can have someone a la mcquest who

1145
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,880
can come in and say

1146
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,480
are we really staying in us in that

1147
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,000
fantastic care and that's

1148
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,599
it leaves open that debate which in

1149
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,920
itself is no doubt a tactic that's

1150
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,200
employed in these things

1151
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,680
um the tim one more listeners question

1152
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,400
it was again

1153
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,400
it was from e on twitter just to let it

1154
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,359
read uh tim's thoughts on the ufo nick

1155
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,200
connection as established by robert

1156
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,560
hastings is that something you've done

1157
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,240
any digging or any working or have any

1158
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,920
opinions on

1159
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,320
say that again i'm sorry yeah so your

1160
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,560
thoughts on the ufo and nuclear weapons

1161
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,000
connection that was established by

1162
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,440
robert hastings

1163
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:58,320
oh okay yeah yeah go um yeah i don't

1164
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:58,960
know

1165
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,079
it's interesting because you do there's

1166
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,000
a book a late 80s book

1167
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,560
clear intent by barry greenwood and gosh

1168
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,160
i can't think of his co-author right now

1169
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,200
so i apologize but it's a

1170
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,839
it's a really good book i think nobody's

1171
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:15,440
checked it out

1172
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,839
that really covers a lot of the um

1173
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,920
the some of these uh sightings that

1174
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,680
happened in the 70s over these over the

1175
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,000
nuclear sites one of them being

1176
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,960
a particular case that i actually am

1177
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,520
slowly

1178
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,880
going back and forth looking into which

1179
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,640
is the loring air force base one which

1180
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,720
is really remarkable because

1181
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,119
they described seeing these things that

1182
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,359
were very much like the tic tac

1183
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,680
and behavior and everything and so it is

1184
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,599
interesting because there does appear to

1185
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,240
be a nuclear component

1186
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:49,359
to it um

1187
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:52,800
it's i'm always cautious with that

1188
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,760
though because it's kind of like the

1189
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,960
same thing where you say

1190
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,720
you know there's a water component to it

1191
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,920
they're over water and everything

1192
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,200
sometimes it can be confounding

1193
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,800
variables which means

1194
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,800
you only have the known information so

1195
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,079
it makes sense you don't have the

1196
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,520
unknown information

1197
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:07,920
but there definitely appears to be some

1198
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,640
type of

1199
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:11,760
nuclear connection to this

1200
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,880
stuff going into the fact that sure you

1201
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,720
have like the foo fighters and the ghost

1202
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,920
rockets but but

1203
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,240
once we have a nuclear capability and

1204
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,720
post the atomic bomb

1205
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,720
things become a little more dramatic you

1206
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,560
know why that is i don't know

1207
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:29,200
um with these nuclear connections i

1208
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:30,400
think the most

1209
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:34,400
intriguing aspect there is these involve

1210
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,160
the absolute most sensitive secure

1211
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,440
aspects of any military's arsenal and

1212
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,040
these are nuclear weapons and so the

1213
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,880
idea that something is like screw you

1214
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,720
and your airspace and your missiles

1215
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,560
and flying over it shutting them off or

1216
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,119
just doing as they please

1217
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,440
that really makes you go what and the

1218
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,640
hell

1219
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:57,599
um i think in the times i've looked at

1220
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,000
it

1221
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,680
the interesting side there is you know

1222
00:41:01,430 --> 00:41:00,880
you hear people go well that's because

1223
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,440
the

1224
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,520
peace-loving aliens want us to warn us

1225
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,119
about our nuclear war and destroy our

1226
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,800
planet and um

1227
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,400
i'm always like well where the hell were

1228
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,400
they when we exploded 1800

1229
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,720
bombs in the nevada duster destiny they

1230
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,920
take a day off

1231
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,200
um so you think well

1232
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,760
you know i do know one segment that

1233
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,440
would be very interested in the ability

1234
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,040
to shut off nuclear weapons or penetrate

1235
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:24,720
nuclear airspace and that would be human

1236
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,280
beings

1237
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,109
if if russia or china had this

1238
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,640
capability

1239
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,880
going back to the 70s and 60s or even

1240
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:36,480
today i will mention this in terms of

1241
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,359
these coastal

1242
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,560
things um this is where i i maybe break

1243
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,240
from and that's where me and tyler

1244
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,839
uh at the war zone you'll hear us have

1245
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,920
great debates over it's just from our

1246
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,000
perspective you know he's a technology

1247
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:50,400
guy and i'm more of a foreign policy

1248
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,200
analyst

1249
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:54,160
type guy and so i look at it and go yeah

1250
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,800
but

1251
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,119
if russia or china had the ability to

1252
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,960
penetrate our nuclear airspace

1253
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,480
shut our stuff off and give us the

1254
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,119
finger we would see a different

1255
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,599
geopolitical landscape right now

1256
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,680
like we wouldn't you know russia would

1257
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,960
be like oh you're going to sanction us

1258
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,319
for ukraine

1259
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,720
screw you well you know china would say

1260
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,400
trade war

1261
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,640
i mean that's what you know yeah it's

1262
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,920
one of the nice things in moving to

1263
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,599
germany i really realized that the

1264
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,599
united states gets to be the big global

1265
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:22,960
bully to an extent

1266
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,720
and exert its its will has has a lot to

1267
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,800
do with its military power i mean here

1268
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:29,680
in germany

1269
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,880
there's more u.s planes than the entire

1270
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:34,480
german air force you know just hear

1271
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,040
station

1272
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,599
and so they provide the defense for it

1273
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,359
and so that allows them to kind of

1274
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:42,400
impose their economic will on things and

1275
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:42,960
everything

1276
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:46,240
and so we haven't seen you know the cold

1277
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,119
war ended

1278
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,680
the ussr collapsed uh you would you

1279
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:51,040
hadn't seen anything that would suggest

1280
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,079
that

1281
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:53,440
russia or somebody would have this

1282
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,560
technology because they'd have a

1283
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:56,480
different geopolitical

1284
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:05,030
i mean maybe but it'd be unprecedented

1285
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,160
that's what i always say is

1286
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,160
not just in technology but ability to

1287
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,520
hide it so

1288
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,720
i don't know there's definitely

1289
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,920
something intriguing there and i think

1290
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,359
it's interesting because you're right

1291
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,119
it's been pointed out that um

1292
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,800
in these navy events these are these are

1293
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,400
nuclear ships powered ships

1294
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,800
nuclear-powered submarines could

1295
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:23,200
something be interested in that i don't

1296
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:23,839
know maybe

1297
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,440
i mean it's not crazy the the stars the

1298
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,520
sun is really just a giant nuclear bomb

1299
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,119
exploding i mean that's what we've

1300
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,880
determined it is so i i don't know i

1301
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,319
haven't done enough

1302
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,990
robert hastings work is absolutely true

1303
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,599
or incorrect i think he's

1304
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,119
from what i know he's done some really

1305
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,359
exciting fascinating and good work

1306
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,839
and so uh i don't know it's intriguing

1307
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,359
the doa the department of energy has

1308
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,640
always been one of the ones that's

1309
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,400
always intrigued me i think

1310
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,880
um i was just talking about this the

1311
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,480
other day is that

1312
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,800
people always ask me well if there was

1313
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,800
this roswell crash if there was hidden

1314
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:04,160
ufo stuff

1315
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,280
where would it be and it'd be in the

1316
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,200
department of energy and i

1317
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,800
people are like who never thought about

1318
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:11,040
them because it's always cia the air

1319
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,160
force

1320
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:15,839
and the doe they're just quietly over

1321
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,319
there

1322
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:19,040
doing their own thing but the department

1323
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,599
of energy

1324
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,520
is absolutely bar none the most

1325
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:23,040
secretive and classified

1326
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,319
institution in the united states

1327
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,640
government period you know they have an

1328
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,800
entirely separate classification system

1329
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,480
they're about 90 percent civilian

1330
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,240
contractor iran

1331
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,440
um and up until 1976 they were

1332
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,440
a civilian organization the atomic

1333
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:39,119
energy commission controlled all nuclear

1334
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,599
weapons

1335
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,359
and so they were outside the oversight

1336
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,040
of the us government and so

1337
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,119
a lot of the conspiracies that you hear

1338
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,640
about this kind of

1339
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,359
cabal that's able to circumvent above

1340
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:51,119
top secret from the president i'm always

1341
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,680
like

1342
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,599
that's such bs but then when you look at

1343
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,280
the department of energy you go

1344
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,440
huh well wait a minute they actually

1345
00:45:03,270 --> 00:44:59,440
have the framework to have been

1346
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,280
like that it doesn't mean anything

1347
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,960
but they are an intriguing so they

1348
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,240
they're controlling the nuclear stuff

1349
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,520
and they're intriguing to me when it

1350
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,119
comes to that because

1351
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:11,119
as many events as you can think of of

1352
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:12,240
these nuclear

1353
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,000
uh or ufos coming over nuclear sites

1354
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,400
i've asked the department of energy uh

1355
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,359
just recently

1356
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,880
and according to them they've got zero

1357
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:23,280
reports for for their entire history

1358
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,000
nope mm-hmm

1359
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,920
no ufos i don't know what you're talking

1360
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:27,680
about they're the only ones who've

1361
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,319
called me

1362
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,920
on a foia it was very interesting they

1363
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,640
called me i filed a foia for

1364
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,960
their um kind of ufo stuff they called

1365
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,720
me were like what made you what made you

1366
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,720
send this to us right what makes you

1367
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:40,079
think that we have anything to do with

1368
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,359
this i'm like well

1369
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,520
because there's freaking books written

1370
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,000
about it like it's like common knowledge

1371
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,800
okay and they even all right well let me

1372
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,079
so what you know they wanted me

1373
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,400
they tried to amend my request to like

1374
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,240
okay so you want us to search through

1375
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,480
the navy reactors and i'm like no no i

1376
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,280
want you to search through your [\h__\h]

1377
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,280
so i don't know it could all just be at

1378
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,560
the end of the day

1379
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,960
that secrecy really just pertains to the

1380
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,599
fact

1381
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,680
they got nuclear bombs they control all

1382
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,040
the nuclear weapons and

1383
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,920
uh the means to destroy our planet and

1384
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,560
so

1385
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,319
i don't know it's intriguing i i would

1386
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,400
love to know more there i've often

1387
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,760
wondered um

1388
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:20,000
this is going into the just really when

1389
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,440
you brainstorm late at night and you're

1390
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:23,520
drinking a glass of whiskey with friends

1391
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,800
uh does the potential exist that when we

1392
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,960
develop nuclear technology did we do

1393
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,160
something did we

1394
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,200
bring something in

1395
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,680
inadvertently because if you look at

1396
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,160
what you're doing with nuclear energy

1397
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,280
particle physics splitting atoms you're

1398
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:43,359
playing with the building blocks of

1399
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:46,720
of life and existence and so

1400
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,839
yeah could a byproduct of that be

1401
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:52,000
something i think that's even though

1402
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,440
this in what was asked but i think

1403
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,880
that's what intrigued me about places

1404
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,319
like skinwalker ranch

1405
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:57,920
where you hear now they're picking up

1406
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,800
all this ionized radiation and whatnot

1407
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,839
um what does that have to do

1408
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:06,480
with this so i don't know i don't know

1409
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:07,200
it

1410
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,119
interesting avenue

1411
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,160
to all of us absolutely and i think as

1412
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,520
well i always look back at

1413
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,640
different time periods i think you

1414
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,920
mentioned this before about how

1415
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:18,800
different

1416
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,079
you know the zeitgeist and the ufos look

1417
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:25,839
a certain way are depicted a certain way

1418
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,240
but

1419
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,760
at different points in our history well

1420
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,960
these things have always kind of been

1421
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,920
there like

1422
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,520
it seems that there's a lot of ufo

1423
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,200
hieroglyphics on pyramids and you know

1424
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,880
the pyramids themselves potentially

1425
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,480
being built for some kind of other

1426
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,520
technology they line up so incredibly

1427
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,760
specifically to star systems and was

1428
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:43,440
that a way of harnessing a new energy

1429
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,640
and then you move on to things like the

1430
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,559
industrial revolution and how

1431
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,079
things were then seen at that point and

1432
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,000
then you move on to discovering nuclear

1433
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,680
capabilities is that just that these

1434
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,000
things

1435
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,400
come into come into play for different

1436
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,839
reasons at different points in our

1437
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,599
history and civilizations and

1438
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,119
you say whatever the reason is for that

1439
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:00,640
is something that no one knows yet

1440
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,200
that's

1441
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,400
that no one knows

1442
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:07,440
we we have a very we have a bad habit of

1443
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,240
it's natural

1444
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,280
to people it's called recency bias

1445
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,640
is there and that's what i said to mick

1446
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,880
west and anybody else is that

1447
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:17,119
um the idea that we can explain

1448
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:18,640
everything totally discounts the fact

1449
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:19,599
that actually if you

1450
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,720
really truly look into the deepest darks

1451
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:24,079
of what we understand we don't

1452
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,119
understand anything

1453
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,800
you know the universe works by dark

1454
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,960
matter and dark energy which might as

1455
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:30,400
well be pixie dust because it's we're

1456
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,839
like oh it's there because it has to be

1457
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,640
there but we

1458
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:35,520
can't measure it we can't see it um and

1459
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,079
we have this

1460
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,960
this always have this idea that our

1461
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,520
current

1462
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,280
knowledge is the pinnacle of all

1463
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,880
knowledge but that's not true in fact

1464
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:44,800
there's no precedent for that in history

1465
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,920
and if you looked at where we're at even

1466
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,920
as civilizations as people have lived in

1467
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,960
cities and everything

1468
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:53,280
if you looked at human history as like a

1469
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,000
calendar

1470
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,760
the times when we've lived in

1471
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,079
civilizations and been where we are here

1472
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,280
that would be like december 29th on that

1473
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:05,200
whole calendar so all that uh the rest

1474
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,000
of the year

1475
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,760
you know it wasn't like this and so

1476
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,400
we're nowhere near that pinnacle and

1477
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,599
i've said one of my

1478
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,520
best friends mj banayas we talk all the

1479
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,200
time you know he's funny because he's

1480
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,960
really into it but then when we get into

1481
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,400
this nitty-gritty that it's real he's

1482
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,920
kind of like man this is freaking me the

1483
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:22,559
hell out

1484
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:25,760
it's real like just being able to say oh

1485
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,400
it's all

1486
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,119
folklore kind of gives you a safety net

1487
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:30,800
but i caution people to realize that you

1488
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,440
know

1489
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,160
what is quote paranormal at any point in

1490
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,559
history is typically just misunderstood

1491
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:39,680
if we went to 2500 years ago they tell

1492
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,319
you that

1493
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,400
the sun rose every day because some god

1494
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,240
in the chariot carried it over his

1495
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:46,480
shoulder or something and so

1496
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,000
um it's it's not it doesn't diminish

1497
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,640
the fact that it's it's incredible that

1498
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,440
you have this

1499
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,280
rotational system and the solar system

1500
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,720
the sun comes up

1501
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,640
but it also doesn't mean there's a sun

1502
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,720
god rolling it up and so who knows i

1503
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,760
mean maybe

1504
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,520
i think some of the theories about kind

1505
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:05,920
of the multiverse type thing and maybe

1506
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,240
this

1507
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:09,680
is not some visitors coming from another

1508
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,119
solar system or galaxy but maybe we

1509
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,480
live in a a reality that's a lot weirder

1510
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,599
than we

1511
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,920
realize i think that if anybody wanted

1512
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:21,440
me to sum up like what are your feelings

1513
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,240
on the whole

1514
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,960
topic in general and you think they are

1515
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,559
it would be man

1516
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,839
we live in a much weirder universe and

1517
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:32,640
an existence than we really give credit

1518
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:33,280
to

1519
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,640
and it's it's weird

1520
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:39,359
there's weird stuff that goes on it to

1521
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,000
the point where

1522
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:41,760
the people who actually research and

1523
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,960
study it intimately things like reality

1524
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,880
man you want to freak yourself out

1525
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,960
should i rather be abducted than listen

1526
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,800
to them break down the theories of this

1527
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,839
idea that you know

1528
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,920
reality is a constructed framework

1529
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,359
almost a matrix and it's

1530
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,760
it's but when you hear the argument you

1531
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,640
see it you go

1532
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,480
damn you don't really have an argument

1533
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:01,680
against that

1534
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:05,280
it could be and so who knows

1535
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:10,160
um i do truly truly i'll say this much

1536
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:11,440
and i never give my opinion but i'll

1537
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,119
give you my opinion if i our hope

1538
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,359
if i had to hope and wish what the

1539
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,280
nimitz events are and everything

1540
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,880
this doesn't influence how i look at

1541
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:22,400
them okay i want to make sure because

1542
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,960
that

1543
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,160
keith clure will be writing an article

1544
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:25,599
about what a piece of [\h__\h] i am and now

1545
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:26,000
i'm a

1546
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,599
ufo believer but um you know a part of

1547
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,640
me really hopes

1548
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,800
it's alien visitors or it's

1549
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,800
interdimensional whatever because in my

1550
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,760
idea if they can do it so can we and i

1551
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,640
want to

1552
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,880
i think it'd be really freaking cool to

1553
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,800
travel the cosmos i think it'd be really

1554
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:43,680
cool

1555
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,480
to not have to look at planets on a

1556
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,680
little data

1557
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,000
to see the dots and everything and oh

1558
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,920
there's something rotating there

1559
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,680
but actually see it up close i think

1560
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:55,920
that would be cool i would love to

1561
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,400
i'd love to believe that maybe we would

1562
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,559
have that capability in my lifetime but

1563
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,480
maybe my kids or something you know i

1564
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:03,520
think that

1565
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,040
ultimately is where i'm always willing

1566
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,800
to not rule it out is because

1567
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,559
i don't want to rule anything out that

1568
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,280
maybe stifles human innovation

1569
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,520
because me and nick whis will be sitting

1570
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,960
next to each other holding hands on our

1571
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:18,800
first flight to alpha centauri if it was

1572
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,520
real you know

1573
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,079
it'd be cool watching old episodes of

1574
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,760
star trek and wondering how

1575
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,680
more like a documentary than it was a tv

1576
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,640
show when they initially did it

1577
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,800
that's how innovation comes people

1578
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,720
people dismiss it but at the end of the

1579
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,400
day that's exactly how

1580
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,520
all human innovation technology and

1581
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,040
science comes it comes through science

1582
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,480
fiction and imagination

1583
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,599
and so again that's why you'll see me

1584
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:45,200
argue with skeptics a lot of times is

1585
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:48,319
simply because i don't want to see this

1586
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,920
idea that we stifle uh

1587
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,599
innovation you know i also don't want to

1588
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,599
see zealously where people

1589
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,680
have a religious fever and stuff that's

1590
00:53:02,870 --> 00:52:59,040
there's a there's a good

1591
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,880
balance between accepting what's real

1592
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,319
and then also believing in the

1593
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:06,480
impossible so you don't want to go too

1594
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,880
far

1595
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,680
in either direction but the moment we

1596
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,440
accept we have it all figured out

1597
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,680
and that something's impossible we might

1598
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,040
as well just okay

1599
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,880
we'll pack it up here and you know we're

1600
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,319
never going to get past

1601
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,040
driving on our ford cars or you know

1602
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,640
flying in a jet or whatever

1603
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,440
but uh yeah clearly i'm sure the first

1604
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,880
people that the first people that built

1605
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,160
boats would have stood in a coastline

1606
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,079
and looked out at an ocean and just went

1607
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,839
ah there's nothing out there that's that

1608
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,760
expanse is just never ending and someone

1609
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,760
went you know what let's go and see and

1610
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,680
mm-hmm that's it and you just have to go

1611
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,280
and find out

1612
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,599
sure that's that it's in our nature it's

1613
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:43,760
in our nature to go seek things out

1614
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,200
and you know if we can imagine it it

1615
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,559
comes from somewhere

1616
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,240
where does that come from i don't know

1617
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,319
you know and so it's cool and that's

1618
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,920
always been my thing too is i really

1619
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,000
don't does it matter

1620
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:58,240
does it matter what it is if in the

1621
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:59,119
process of

1622
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,240
and that's why i try to bring it into

1623
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,240
the real world and stay

1624
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:04,079
and make it tangible and palatable for

1625
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,440
people anybody

1626
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,680
to to really be interested in this topic

1627
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,800
is because

1628
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,599
does it matter if somebody gets

1629
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,280
interested in it and it's like man how

1630
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:15,520
could how could a ufo do that and they

1631
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,319
end up

1632
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,440
developing the framework for a

1633
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,599
technology that could travel at the

1634
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,200
speed of light or whatever

1635
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,760
does it really matter if it's aliens or

1636
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,640
whatever

1637
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,319
if we're if we end up achieving that

1638
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:28,960
technology in my opinion it doesn't

1639
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,400
um it's just cool and so if

1640
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,480
it inspires things then that's a good

1641
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,000
thing and i think that's

1642
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,359
you know so so even if we never

1643
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,400
figure out what it is and i've said this

1644
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:44,640
as well maybe what it is is the question

1645
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,559
maybe what it is is more like something

1646
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,559
that tells us to keep pursuing mysteries

1647
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,000
to keep if we believe

1648
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,760
people can travel the cosmos then we're

1649
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,200
going to want to do it and

1650
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,720
so maybe once we do that it'll be

1651
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,480
something else they'll be poking through

1652
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,200
inner dimensions or whatever you know as

1653
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,599
long as we believe that it could be real

1654
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,160
we could try to achieve it so it's cool

1655
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:08,079
that's a lovely summary and what i'll do

1656
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,400
tim

1657
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,079
just before we wrap up is just run

1658
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,839
through some uh quick fire

1659
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:14,319
i've got a few people a few events uh

1660
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,960
and just

1661
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,799
a phrase or two and i just want either a

1662
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:18,160
couple of words or if you want to

1663
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,520
elaborate on it you can

1664
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,799
and some things you've touched on

1665
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:22,799
already and so the first one would be

1666
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:23,200
bob

1667
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:27,359
bigelow um

1668
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:31,040
okay so if i were around um

1669
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,349
then i'd love to know why he um he says

1670
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,960
beyond any reasonable doubt that

1671
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:45,119
he doesn't give a damn what anybody says

1672
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,079
aliens are here

1673
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,599
and so i don't know i'd love to know

1674
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,359
that but uh

1675
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,880
i'll give him credit like i said he he's

1676
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,880
been willing to invest

1677
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:55,359
his time energy effort and money into it

1678
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:56,240
uh

1679
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:59,599
so rebelliously curious my

1680
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,880
fire round answer okay the next ones

1681
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,240
that on a recent event

1682
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,839
that i'm sure you've seen at least a

1683
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:07,680
little bit about is the magi ufo

1684
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,799
uh instant in brazil yeah

1685
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:13,200
i i've only just seen a little bit i

1686
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,480
think from what i've heard

1687
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,520
is it was more hoax than real that's

1688
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:18,640
just at least what i've

1689
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,240
heard um is it still debated

1690
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,160
yeah it's there was something else has

1691
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,240
happened quick it seems to be honest now

1692
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,720
around about 12 to 15 days worth of

1693
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,319
incidents have now gone on

1694
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,480
um with lights in the sky in different

1695
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,760
parts of brazil and

1696
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,760
again i point out to arthur iglesias on

1697
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,520
twitter who's a uk native

1698
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,040
but he's a brazilian native living in

1699
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,880
liverpool in the uk who's done some

1700
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:42,240
great translations on

1701
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,520
a lot of the civilian videos and

1702
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:47,280
there is genuine panic in these people's

1703
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,799
voices they are definitely seeing

1704
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,319
something up in the sky

1705
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,920
there are different light patterns

1706
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:53,440
appearing similar to some of the things

1707
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:54,240
you said you saw

1708
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,839
on your your sighting with the three

1709
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,000
lights blinking on and off

1710
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,559
so there seems to be something to it

1711
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,839
where we could have struggle is

1712
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,000
there's a real lack of tangible evidence

1713
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,680
that there are videos of kind of smoke

1714
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,200
coming from the mountains

1715
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,359
um there's a few fake videos thrown in

1716
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,680
there of older drone shows and whatnot

1717
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,960
that are absolutely nothing to do with

1718
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,480
the incident

1719
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,319
if i had to summarize and add on a very

1720
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,160
quick bonus episode of it episode i

1721
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:19,760
called it 2.5

1722
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:23,359
um something's happened

1723
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:26,319
what it's really unclear and people have

1724
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:26,720
seen

1725
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:30,319
something um but yeah there's a lot of

1726
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:31,599
military activity

1727
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,559
happen stance that goes on around uh an

1728
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,720
industrial military complex but

1729
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:39,200
a lot of people coming up with that the

1730
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,160
place does make

1731
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,839
ammunition and never has the level of

1732
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,000
activity that it has seen recently

1733
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,400
so yeah it seems that there's maybe

1734
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,240
something worth digging into but it

1735
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:50,000
could absolutely very quickly lead to

1736
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,119
nothing

1737
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,200
i'd be fascinated by it because that's

1738
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,040
one of the things that i think gets gets

1739
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,920
lumped in too much is it the ufos become

1740
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,119
either an american

1741
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,480
or a western kind of phenomenon and

1742
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,920
uh you know just the other day i was

1743
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:06,240
saying in a perfect world and maybe some

1744
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:06,880
day

1745
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:10,559
is you know like i'd like to go to

1746
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,200
africa

1747
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,799
and start asking people yeah you see

1748
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,160
anything weird in the sky you know

1749
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,400
there's like these disconnected regions

1750
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,760
either because a language culture or

1751
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,000
whatever that we just have

1752
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,119
zero data out and but they also are not

1753
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,880
corrupted by all the other

1754
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,480
you know i'm not gonna go to zimbabwe

1755
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,319
and they go yeah we saw it and you know

1756
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,760
that's the roswell crash because they

1757
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:31,040
don't they don't know about that

1758
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:34,319
so yeah i would love to hear from some

1759
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,200
of these areas

1760
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:37,119
and south america is a very intriguing

1761
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,240
spot to me in general

1762
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,319
another one on the list perfect world i

1763
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,680
want to go down there

1764
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,920
um definite hotbed hotbed just now

1765
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,359
there's some activity going on

1766
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,359
but it's definitely worth looking into

1767
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,520
um my next one would be extraterrestrial

1768
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:52,160
what does that mean to you

1769
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,599
uh you know extraterrestrial

1770
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:58,319
uh in context of the ufo thing i think

1771
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,720
uh

1772
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,400
i summarize it basically as anything

1773
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,319
that's not human being

1774
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,240
and so you kind of heard me say earlier

1775
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,680
that uh i'm not

1776
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,920
totally adverse to this idea this

1777
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:09,760
inter-dimensional theory that you hear

1778
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:10,880
people say

1779
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:14,079
um in addition to

1780
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,760
um alien distant world theory there's

1781
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,200
and this is the part where it gets deep

1782
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:21,359
in the weeds is he just brought up a

1783
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:23,119
great point here is

1784
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,480
there is some serious uh scientific and

1785
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,720
even philosophical questions that even

1786
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:31,200
exist there in terms of being able to

1787
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,400
travel from a different

1788
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,680
distant star system in reality you know

1789
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,079
if you because of time dilation if you

1790
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,319
were able to travel all the way to

1791
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,440
another distant distant galaxy when

1792
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,119
you're looking back from that point

1793
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,200
because time space is dependent

1794
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,119
what if when you're looking back like

1795
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:51,359
you're technically looking back x number

1796
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,880
thousands or millions of years in

1797
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,559
earth's future earth has wiped itself

1798
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,839
out and there's no human beings

1799
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,760
and so it's like well if there's no

1800
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,119
human beings or

1801
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,760
you've gone the other side and human

1802
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,599
beings don't exist do you exist

1803
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:06,240
type thing and so that's why i wonder

1804
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,280
that

1805
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,799
it seems almost too simplistic to

1806
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:10,640
believe it's some some aliens who hop on

1807
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,040
a ship

1808
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:12,880
and you know just happen to travel fast

1809
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:15,599
from their planet and so

1810
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:19,440
uh extraterrestrial am i would be

1811
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:22,720
anything that's not us we're

1812
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,470
i agree that it's too simplistic to say

1813
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:30,160
it's aliens hopping on a spaceship from

1814
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,839
mars and coming down

1815
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,400
uh something i really wanted to talk

1816
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,680
about today but just in doing the

1817
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,720
research for the show

1818
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,400
uh i found there was so much i could

1819
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:39,760
have spoke to you about uh and it's

1820
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:40,960
definitely something i'd love to come

1821
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:41,760
back to on but

1822
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:45,920
bob lazar um

1823
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:49,760
i i do not believe bob lazar i don't

1824
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,799
uh there's a considerable amount of

1825
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:54,000
information that

1826
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,839
has either been made public or i haven't

1827
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:57,920
just haven't had a time to make public

1828
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:58,559
because

1829
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,839
i'll tell people um i try to really

1830
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,200
focus on things that i think

1831
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,200
are tangible real and could provide

1832
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,799
realistic results and i don't see

1833
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,000
anything there

1834
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:11,040
um but yeah no i mean i i going back to

1835
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,160
people that was in

1836
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:15,119
his purview and in his space in the

1837
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:16,240
1980s

1838
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,000
up to when he supposedly said and all

1839
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:20,720
this stuff who have told me yeah no he's

1840
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:21,440
full of [\h__\h]

1841
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,799
and so i i am

1842
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:27,200
totally open and willing to there being

1843
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,000
the

1844
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,799
a new evidence presented that says i'm

1845
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,400
wrong and i'll be the first to say i'm

1846
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,319
wrong but based on the proponents of

1847
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:35,680
evidence that i'm

1848
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:38,079
have gathered and i'm aware of i i don't

1849
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,119
believe

1850
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,319
uh bob lazar's story at all

1851
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:48,150
yeah awesome and the last one that we've

1852
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:49,119
touched on um

1853
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:52,640
for you what is disclosure

1854
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,839
ah i think disclosure

1855
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,520
you know it does it more surround i

1856
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,359
think disclosure for me

1857
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,799
would be just what we talked about

1858
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:02,640
earlier it would be that kind of

1859
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,680
acknowledgement and supported by

1860
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:07,119
supporting evidence

1861
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:10,720
uh showing that there is indeed

1862
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,079
something uh that is undefined

1863
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,319
unknown it is not human technology it is

1864
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:18,240
not foreign technology it's not our

1865
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:19,359
technology

1866
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,680
uh being disclosed to the point where

1867
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,400
uh my my version of disclosure is when

1868
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,079
enough information comes out

1869
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:30,079
that that somebody like mick west goes

1870
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:31,359
well holy [\h__\h]

1871
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,920
okay that's interesting guys let's let's

1872
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:35,760
try to tackle this problem now instead

1873
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:38,079
of debunking it and so

1874
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:41,760
to me that's that is disclosure it's not

1875
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,720
um i just simply have never seen any

1876
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,799
evidence that disclosure is going to be

1877
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,799
wheeling the bodies out from roswell or

1878
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,319
something i don't

1879
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,160
maybe they do have them that would be

1880
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:54,240
interesting that'd be super cool but i

1881
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:54,640
don't

1882
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,079
know that that's real but who knows hey

1883
01:03:03,190 --> 01:02:59,920
but then would it be met still with that

1884
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:03,200
shrug that matthew harsh mentioned

1885
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,480
i don't know that would be i mean if the

1886
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,640
if the president or somebody on tv

1887
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:10,559
wheeled out the bodies and you know you

1888
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,599
got a tour of the

1889
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,680
the secret underground facilities if

1890
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,680
that was true i don't know that one

1891
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,520
i i would hope if that was met with a

1892
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,119
shrug then i'm just gonna

1893
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,640
you know i'm gonna go ahead and go

1894
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:22,240
outside and welcome the apocalypse

1895
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:22,880
because

1896
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,069
yeah i mean that would i think very

1897
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:30,000
rightly so and that's why i try to be

1898
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,520
very serious about this topic is because

1899
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:35,359
at its heart what we're talking about

1900
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:37,599
could be the most significant

1901
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,400
it is the most significant thing next to

1902
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:42,000
the development of language and human

1903
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,799
beings

1904
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,720
and and so it should be treated

1905
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:47,039
seriously i mean why shouldn't it be

1906
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:50,559
both scrutiny and and open-mindedness um

1907
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,839
so yeah i don't know i i hope that uh

1908
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:56,160
i agree with dr hirsch i i really he he

1909
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:56,960
said he gave

1910
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,480
such great comments and everything and

1911
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,240
our conversation there was explicitly

1912
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:04,160
just kind of focused in on the idea that

1913
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:04,960
the government

1914
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,920
did like encounter some technology and

1915
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:09,680
it didn't understand it so they hid it

1916
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:11,039
from people

1917
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:14,960
um and so you know i

1918
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,119
in actuality you know to some extent i

1919
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,960
think if they came out and that was true

1920
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:20,559
and they they rolled out the roswell

1921
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,240
wreckage i think

1922
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,839
he's right and that a lot of people

1923
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:25,520
would be like well

1924
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,319
duh you know we've known that you know

1925
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:30,079
thanks for telling us

1926
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,200
um yeah i don't know it would be it

1927
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:35,359
would

1928
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,960
sadly i think what you'd see is

1929
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,440
not enough focus on that in and of

1930
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,440
itself you would see mainstream news

1931
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,640
being like

1932
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,559
see you know the current presidential

1933
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,000
administration or the past president

1934
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:49,680
they're all pieces of [\h__\h] and they've

1935
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,000
been

1936
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:52,400
lying and i want to impeach or i want to

1937
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,359
charge them cr

1938
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:55,920
unfortunately i just based on what we

1939
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,000
see recently politics would jump in and

1940
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,760
everybody would want to blame

1941
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:01,920
whatever partisan party they liked or

1942
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,440
didn't like and

1943
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:05,760
uh meanwhile you know there'd be some

1944
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:07,599
people like us who'd be

1945
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,880
wait can we ask you a little more about

1946
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,799
those alien things can we

1947
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,200
can we talk about that the body

1948
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,280
procedure just thought or not

1949
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right can we talk about that a little

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bit uh

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yeah and so i i i don't know maybe it

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would be

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01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,520
maybe that's what people need to an

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01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,119
extent maybe that would end some of the

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01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:27,440
partisan bs maybe if we got knocked off

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01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:29,039
our high horse a little bit and didn't

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01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,319
think that we were all

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in charge and we collectively had a new

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01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:33,599
mystery

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that maybe that would change things

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maybe who knows

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01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:39,440
the same as ronald reagan quote to the

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was it the united nations about uh

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01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,079
an extraterrestrial threat from outside

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our world and how it would unite

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01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,559
everyone and

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01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,319
petty differences and you know what in a

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01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,559
couple of days time there's a a spacex

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01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,079
launch with two astronauts going on the

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01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:54,000
new rock up to the space station as well

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and

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it's little things like that they give

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01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:57,440
you a little bit of hope for for things

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01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,400
going forward and

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01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:01,359
you know it's a again one small step for

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01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,319
man but you know

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01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,640
we'll see what comes of it this time

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01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,760
we're in a good time

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01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,520
and i'll say that is it whether people

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01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,200
realize it or not is

1981
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:11,920
with the development advances in

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01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:13,599
artificial intelligence and that being a

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01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:14,799
big push

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01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,000
or uh the space force or nasa's

1985
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:20,480
pledge to go to mars i think we're

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01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,359
re-entering

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01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,359
that time frame we saw back in maybe the

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01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:25,359
50s and everything where now

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01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:28,640
uh human exploration is being encouraged

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01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,280
again

1991
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:32,079
uh in the united states you have uh

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01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:34,160
common core math which is being put to

1993
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,839
the schools people complain about it and

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01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:36,960
everything but they don't realize the

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01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,880
basis behind that and that's

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01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,400
training kids to be good at computer

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01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:42,640
math it's math modeling

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01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,000
and modular arithmetic and so

1999
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,440
we're kind of refocusing where we can

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01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,520
get a glimpse into where future's going

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01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,680
and it's going into the unknown and

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01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:55,280
these

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01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,400
i talk to people who work at you know

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01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,400
places like lockheed or whatever and the

2005
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:02,319
things that they're examining

2006
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:05,839
sound crazy sci-fi but no i think there

2007
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:08,559
is more of a push for that so it's a

2008
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:09,039
good

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01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:14,160
them to roll out the bodies you know

2010
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:17,680
because that again i think you do that

2011
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:21,359
once people know um

2012
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,319
and i can say this because you're

2013
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:24,559
scottish but that was about my my good

2014
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,359
buddy

2015
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,359
nick cook very good very good friend of

2016
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:29,599
mine uh author of hunt for zero point

2017
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,359
former defense senator jans we talk all

2018
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:33,359
the time you know he's english

2019
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,400
and and you know he said i i think that

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01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:38,240
at least for americans they'd end up

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01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,680
developing it he said

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01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:41,359
because americans seem to be like ah

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01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:43,119
screw it let's build some stuff he's

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01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:43,520
like

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01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:46,880
we're kind of lazy let's not do it

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01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,079
i don't know whether that's true or not

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01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:49,920
and i don't want to make that assertion

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01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:52,720
i love i don't know i love england but

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uh

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01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:56,960
i think that if i believe that if

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01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,039
rolling anything out and saying hey

2032
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:01,920
there is something super advanced here

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01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,880
uh

2034
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,880
i think it would encourage a lot of a

2035
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:06,480
lot of people i think the kids that are

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01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,039
in school

2037
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:09,359
would even go this is cool you know our

2038
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:10,240
next generation

2039
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,440
the people are going to figure out how

2040
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,520
to actually build those they're probably

2041
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:14,960
in high school right now or in middle

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01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:15,680
school

2043
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:18,319
and so i would only see a positive

2044
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,880
effect

2045
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,960
if it was you know real if it was made

2046
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,400
real

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01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,799
yeah i can only hope it can inspire that

2048
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:26,080
next generation and

2049
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,359
things have just been imagination

2050
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,120
previously just become

2051
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,880
from science fact science fiction to

2052
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,120
science fact doesn't it like

2053
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,120
sure don't we all want i mean i mean a

2054
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,199
part of me would think it you know

2055
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,040
it'd be cool [\h__\h] to get a lightsaber

2056
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:40,880
and want it to sail around the galactic

2057
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,080
federation and you know i'm fighting the

2058
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:46,000
darth vader i mean you know that that

2059
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:47,199
would be cool

2060
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,480
but uh you know we we gotta we gotta

2061
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:52,719
crawl before we can walk type thing but

2062
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,400
it would be very cool it um

2063
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,359
i i hope uh this again goes straight in

2064
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:01,199
opinion and esoteric but uh you know

2065
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,480
it's one of these things that i hope

2066
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,319
that no matter what at some point we all

2067
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,239
get the answer and even

2068
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,000
you know the late great stanton freeman

2069
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:10,159
i truly hope he has all the answers now

2070
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,199
and i hope that that's one of these

2071
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,600
things that you know whether it's in

2072
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,920
this lifetime or whatever comes next i

2073
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:17,440
hope that we kind of do

2074
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:20,799
figure it out and uh maybe we figure out

2075
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:21,520
that just

2076
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,319
things are a lot weirder than aliens

2077
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:25,839
would be so easy but things are just

2078
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:26,480
weird

2079
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,080
gives it gives people like us content

2080
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,000
tim i have to thank you very much for

2081
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,239
your time can i just ask before we go

2082
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,000
what's coming next for tim mcmillan what

2083
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:40,480
can the listeners look forward to

2084
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,960
ah there is some very significant stuff

2085
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:46,239
on the horizon

2086
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:49,520
unfortunately i can't get into in depth

2087
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,719
but there is some um

2088
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:55,040
some cool cool cool stuff i'm very very

2089
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:56,320
excited about

2090
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,840
um you know both cool stories coming up

2091
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,000
but just cool ventures in general

2092
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:05,199
and so um because i'm not the only one

2093
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:06,719
involved is why i can't say it but

2094
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,199
that's

2095
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:10,320
hear me

2096
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:13,520
say it you know people are invited to

2097
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,800
come track me down and punch me in the

2098
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,719
face is i never say like just trust me

2099
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,000
or believe me or i don't

2100
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:20,159
say like my insider information i do

2101
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:21,040
have to

2102
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,480
protect sources because i'm legally

2103
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,159
bound to that but i try to substantiate

2104
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,159
that with evidence and so when i say

2105
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,080
if i seem evasive with that question

2106
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,000
it's it's 100 not because

2107
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,320
it's not something that it will be out

2108
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,679
soon publicly i just

2109
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,360
can't right now because i'm not the only

2110
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,000
one in control of it

2111
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,600
there's something coming yeah so and as

2112
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,880
and when that time comes it'd be great

2113
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,800
to have you back on to talk

2114
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,400
sure anytime man this has been a great

2115
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,400
chat i i i really enjoy it

2116
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,840
i think you're doing a great stuff with

2117
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,159
your program and keep it up man

2118
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:52,159
you know and i encourage anybody to do

2119
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:53,440
exactly like what

2120
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,880
you're doing which is man just go

2121
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,440
talk to people ask questions and that's

2122
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,280
how i got started in this

2123
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,520
you know reaching out to these people

2124
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,360
hey you talk to me and i think that's

2125
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,679
important i think that would be

2126
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:08,880
the biggest thing i would encourage

2127
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,440
everybody is don't just listen to

2128
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:13,440
whatever you see but also do some stuff

2129
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,480
on your own

2130
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,560
stay off twitter some too god bless them

2131
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,920
no offense to anybody

2132
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,400
but you know the real real work gets

2133
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:21,840
done out there in the real world

2134
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,360
and so yeah a quote from a wrestler from

2135
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:27,040
the 90s scott hall that i love to live

2136
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:28,400
my life by that's uh

2137
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,920
listen to everyone's opinion but make

2138
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:32,320
your own decisions and i think that's uh

2139
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,360
no more than ever true sure

2140
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:37,199
sure especially with this because yeah

2141
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,560
absolutely

2142
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:40,239
that's right as long as it's unknown

2143
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:41,679
nobody can be wrong but nobody can be

2144
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:42,080
right

2145
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,270
that is all for this week's show thank

2146
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,960
you very much for listening

2147
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,800
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01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,280
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2159
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:21,440
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is

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01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:15,830
[Music]

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01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:26,870
i jumped nearly

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:35,630
they thought it was a dream

2164
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:45,430
[Music]

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01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:49,990
and

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01:14:22,070 --> 01:13:55,120
[Music]

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01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:30,070
what's that is

2168
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:32,560
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:43,040
saucer

2170
01:15:08,830 --> 01:14:54,840
[Music]

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01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:09,850
so